10:03 <@ Black_Chaos> So who's all here for the meeting? 10:04 >>> linuxalien!i=linuxali@gateway/tor/x-859a72ac69921858 10:04 ChanServ sets +o linuxalien 10:04 <@ linuxalien> Hi guys! 10:04 < mwingle> I'm here for the meeting - 10:04 <@ Black_Chaos> hey linuxalien 10:04 <@ Black_Chaos> just in time 10:04 <@ linuxalien> woo hoo! 10:05 <@ Black_Chaos> atoponce is not going to be able to make it today 10:05 <@ Black_Chaos> so I'm running the show 10:05 <@ Black_Chaos> How is everyone? 10:06 < mwingle> doing alright...how are you? 10:06 <@ Black_Chaos> same 10:07 <@ linuxalien> I'm ok - awake for some reason. 10:07 <@ linuxalien> I went to bed at 1 and my cat woke me at 7am 10:07 >>> topic changed by Black_Chaos: OALUG Planning meeting | Topic: Creating a consitution 10:07 <@ Black_Chaos> darn cat woke me up at like 3 in the morning 10:08 <@ linuxalien> hehehe Cats are funny. Mine is adorable. 10:08 <@ Black_Chaos> So Aaron would like to create a constitution for the group 10:08 <@ Black_Chaos> something like this: http://fslc.usu.edu/about_us/constitution 10:08 <@ linuxalien> Sounds like a plan. 10:08 <@ Black_Chaos> I think its a pretty good idea 10:09 <@ linuxalien> Yeah, good to have a structure 10:09 <@ Black_Chaos> and to help create it mwingle suggested we setup a wiki 10:10 <@ Black_Chaos> the current option are to set it up our selves and have something like wiki.oalug.com 10:10 <@ Black_Chaos> or just use wikipedia for it 10:10 <@ linuxalien> That sounds like a good idea 10:10 <@ Black_Chaos> what are your ideas? 10:11 <@ linuxalien> What are the advantages of hosting it ourselves vs wikipedia? 10:11 <@ Black_Chaos> We have a little more control if we do it ourselves 10:11 <@ Black_Chaos> plus the wiki.oalug.com link 10:12 <@ linuxalien> True - and if we put it on wikipedia, would non-members be able to edit it too? Isn't that how wikipedia works? 10:12 <@ Black_Chaos> using wikipedia kinda decentralizes it like google groups does for the mail 10:14 < mwingle> I'm for having it at oalug.com - I'm not sure it's the right kind of content for wikipedia. 10:15 <@ Black_Chaos> yeah I'm not sure wikipedia would work. We'd probabl have to use some free wiki somewhere 10:15 <@ linuxalien> I like the idea of more control - including allowing only oalug members modify it 10:15 <@ Black_Chaos> do you guys want to discuss some of the parts of the constitution 10:16 <@ linuxalien> Sure 10:16 < mwingle> I've installed dokuwiki and mediawiki - they're both pretty simple to install. 10:16 <@ Black_Chaos> like the officers duties, member definitions, elections stuff? 10:16 <@ Black_Chaos> any ideas on those subjects? 10:17 < mwingle> Well, how about money - do we really need any? Seems like the only expense of maintaining the group is the oalug.com site. Is that right? 10:18 <@ linuxalien> Yeah, money is an issue possibly 10:18 <@ Black_Chaos> yeah 10:18 <@ Black_Chaos> Well Aaron doesn't want to charge a membership fee or anything 10:18 <@ Black_Chaos> I know he would like to do things like get pizza for the workshops and charge for that 10:18 < glitch-> Im here for the meeting too 10:19 <@ Black_Chaos> and get a little revenue that way 10:19 <@ Black_Chaos> any oher ideas for money? 10:20 <@ Black_Chaos> If we could come up with something like a normal members benefits 10:20 <@ linuxalien> We should think of side projects to do for people - like maybe creating ISOs of distros with LAMP or something like that. 10:20 <@ Black_Chaos> and then more benefits for a donating member? 10:20 <@ linuxalien> Yeah, member benefits are good 10:20 <@ linuxalien> Definitely good 10:21 <@ linuxalien> donating members could get priority in some cases on the books publishers give out so they can read and review them. 10:22 < mwingle> Seems like that's quite a bit of management overhead. 10:23 <@ linuxalien> Yeah, possibly, unless we had a secretary that would handle that. Or Treasurer 10:23 < mwingle> Another possibility for determining membership level is meeting attendance record. 10:24 <@ linuxalien> True - we should also have voluntary donations - kind of like you see with open source software. 10:25 < mwingle> You know, a guy who has been participating consistently could attain a certain status, or maybe someone who gives a presentation - and they have to present every so often to maintain it. 10:25 <@ linuxalien> That's not a bad idea 10:28 <@ Black_Chaos> Well I like the FSLC's constitution and think we should use that as the base outline 10:29 <@ linuxalien> That sounds good. We can always add things as we find the need. 10:29 <@ Black_Chaos> yep 10:29 >>> topic changed by Black_Chaos: OALUG Planning meeting | Topic: Dec 14th meeting topic 10:30 < mwingle> that sound good to me too 10:30 <@ Black_Chaos> I think we'll discuss a constitution more on the mailing list and get a wiki setup 10:30 <@ Black_Chaos> on to Dec 14th meeting topic 10:30 <@ Black_Chaos> any ideas? 10:31 < mwingle> anyone know how-to do xen virtualization? 10:31 <@ linuxalien> Hmmm nope 10:31 <@ Black_Chaos> tristanbob: ping 10:32 <@ Black_Chaos> tristanbob_: ping 10:32 <@ linuxalien> I know how to use Q on my Mac. :) 10:32 < mwingle> what about "user mode linux" 10:32 <@ Black_Chaos> nope on both 10:33 < mwingle> Is anyone interested in learning either of those? 10:33 <@ Black_Chaos> They would be cool to know 10:34 < mwingle> I'd also like to learn about Puppy Linux (I think everything runs from RAM so it is lightning fast) 10:34 <@ Black_Chaos> do you know them? 10:35 < mwingle> I don't, but I'd like to learn more. I could figure out Xen for the meeting and present on what I learn. 10:35 < mwingle> If others are interested too... 10:35 <@ Black_Chaos> yeah 10:36 <@ Black_Chaos> is there a topic you know really good that you would like to present on? 10:36 <@ Black_Chaos> 2 weeks just seems like a short time to learn xen 10:37 < mwingle> I don't really know anything really well. I still feel like linux newbie. 10:39 <@ Black_Chaos> well ya don't have to be a pro at it 10:39 <@ Black_Chaos> just enough for a presentation :D 10:40 < mwingle> Here are some more ideas if anybody knows them - bash scripting, beryl, init, LVM and disk management, running linux from an external usb device 10:41 <@ Black_Chaos> yeah 10:41 <@ Black_Chaos> problem is we have ideas but are lacking on presenters 10:42 < mwingle> right. 10:42 <@ Black_Chaos> if you would like to play with xen or user mode linux and present on it that would be cool 10:42 >>> TacoJockey!i=linuxali@gateway/tor/x-47a66d3743295f75 10:43 < linuxalien!i=linuxali@oalug/member/linuxalien [Nick collision from services.] 10:44 ~ TacoJockey is now linuxalien 10:44 ChanServ sets +o linuxalien 10:44 <@ linuxalien> Ok, got disconnected for some reason 10:44 <@ Black_Chaos> think about it and whenever atoponce gets back we'll discuss what we can do 10:45 <@ linuxalien> What did I miss? 10:45 < mwingle> Yeah, I'll do it. How long for the presentation? 10:45 <@ Black_Chaos> about an hour and a half 10:46 <@ linuxalien> :) 10:46 < mwingle> ouch, that's a long time. I was thinking about 45 minutes. 10:46 <@ Black_Chaos> well yeah 10:46 <@ Black_Chaos> I guess we do really start at 7:30 10:47 <@ Black_Chaos> ok yeah 45 minutes would be good 10:47 < mwingle> Ok, great. I won't waste your time. 10:47 <@ Black_Chaos> cool 10:47 <@ Black_Chaos> which one you planning on xen or user mode? 10:47 <@ Black_Chaos> or both? 10:47 < mwingle> xen 10:47 <@ Black_Chaos> ok 10:48 <@ Black_Chaos> sweet 10:48 >>> topic changed by Black_Chaos: OALUG Planning meeting | Topic: PHP Workshop 10:48 <@ Black_Chaos> We've got the PHP workshop coming up on Jan 27th 10:49 <@ Black_Chaos> Any ideas concering that? 10:49 < mwingle> I'm looking forward to it. 10:49 <@ Black_Chaos> I think we've got a presenter. Still need to lay done exactly what we want discussed 10:50 <@ Black_Chaos> but I'm thinking it will be programming knowledge assumed 10:50 <@ Black_Chaos> and just a discussion on howto use PHP 10:50 <@ Black_Chaos> I was think mabe I should try to get a couple PHP books from the publishers as raffle prizes? 10:50 < glitch-> Is it free php workshop? 10:51 <@ linuxalien> That sounds not too bad. I'm a bit rusty on my programming but would love to give it a shot. 10:51 < glitch-> No entrance fee? 10:51 <@ Black_Chaos> glitch-: it is free 10:51 < glitch-> Sweet 10:51 <@ Black_Chaos> we are going to try and have some pizza there that would cost a little to eat 10:51 < glitch-> Hosted by you? 10:51 < mwingle> If there are beginner programmers, it might be good to do some quick intro to source control like Subversion. 10:52 <@ Black_Chaos> mwingle: I'm actually planning on doing a subversion class or even workshop in the future 10:52 <@ Black_Chaos> glitch-: its a 4 hour workshop with 2 sections 10:53 <@ Black_Chaos> 10-12 is the lecture/discussion time 10:53 < mwingle> cool 10:53 <@ Black_Chaos> then a lunch break 10:53 <@ linuxalien> I may attend and just see how you guys like it 10:53 <@ Black_Chaos> the 12:30-2:30 with hands on 10:55 <@ Black_Chaos> any other ideas? 10:57 < glitch-> Thats cool 10:57 <@ linuxalien> How do we get more people to come? 10:58 <@ Black_Chaos> workshopa :) 10:58 <@ Black_Chaos> we're hoping the workshops help generate some buzz 10:58 <@ linuxalien> Should we still try and recruit at high schools and college campuses? 10:58 <@ linuxalien> Yeah, workshops are good 10:58 <@ linuxalien> That sounds like a good idea 10:58 <@ linuxalien> I bet it works 10:59 <@ Black_Chaos> we also need to work on talking to local companies and getting some sort of advertising going 11:00 <@ linuxalien> Yeah. We do some linux where I work, in the IT department. 11:01 < mwingle> I'll spread the word at work. 11:01 < mwingle> I've got to go - thanks for your efforts everyone. 11:01 <@ Black_Chaos> Yeah I need to go to 11:02 <@ linuxalien> laters 11:02 <@ Black_Chaos> thanks for being here 11:02 <@ linuxalien> Np