10:02 >>> topic changed by atoponce: First item on the agenda: meeting dates 10:02 <@ atoponce> should we start/ 10:02 <@ atoponce> ? 10:02 <@ Black_Chaos> it is 10 10:02 < rsorb61> as you wish... 10:03 <@ atoponce> next meet is the 18th, where tristanbob is doing linux gaming 10:03 <@ atoponce> i think we're still on for that 10:03 < rsorb61> My daughter's getting married that day some I'm out of it 10:04 <@ atoponce> rsorb61: cool! congrats 10:04 < rsorb61> but I'm lousy at games anyway 10:04 < rsorb61> thanks 10:04 <@ atoponce> it would've been the 25, as normal, but we thought to move it up due to thanksgiving weekend 10:04 < rsorb61> that's probably for the best 10:05 <@ atoponce> then dec 2 for irc meet, and 14th for davis meet and 16 for irc meet. that will cover dec i think 10:05 <@ atoponce> we should cancel the sat meet downright due to the holidays, i think 10:05 <@ atoponce> it falls on the 30th 10:06 <@ Black_Chaos> thats probably best 10:06 < rsorb61> OK 10:06 <@ atoponce> so we'd pick back up on jan 6th for irc meet, 11 for davis, 20 for irc and 27 for ogden meets 10:06 <@ atoponce> how's that sound? 10:07 <@ atoponce> rsorb61: the irc meets are the 1st and 3rd sat of each month at 10 10:07 < rsorb61> as of now that looks great 10:07 <@ Black_Chaos> sounds correct 10:07 < mwingle> that's alright with me 10:07 <@ atoponce> cool 10:08 >>> topic changed by atoponce: Next on the agenda: workshops 10:08 <@ atoponce> Black_Chaos and i were talking about having workshops, and i think it's a good idea 10:09 <@ atoponce> i think we said the sat meets at the ogden campus? 10:09 <@ Black_Chaos> yeah thats what we were thinking 10:10 <@ atoponce> the idea being we have "normal" meets on thurs about random topics, and hands-on workshops that last a few hours on sat 10:10 < mwingle> what do you mean by workshops? all day meetings? 10:11 <@ Black_Chaos> workshops would be about a 4 hour thing and a topic would cover a couple of workshops 10:11 <@ atoponce> mwingle: yeah. kinda. like learning php, or perl, or shell scripting, or apache, mysql, whatever 10:11 <@ atoponce> we could go like 2 hours, break, then pick it up for another 2 10:11 <@ atoponce> it would be in depth and hands on 10:12 <@ atoponce> the CS dept at WSU says we can use their computer lab if needed. i think we should utilize it 10:12 <@ atoponce> any thoughts, or ideas? 10:13 <@ atoponce> unum did this up at fslc. if he's around, maybe he can share some things they did, and how to plan/setup 10:13 < rsorb61> that sounds cool, it might be too much when summer rolls around again but should work all winter 10:14 <@ atoponce> yeah. when summer hits, our numbers shrink, but we should keep it up anyway 10:14 <@ atoponce> i think it will bring a lot if interest to the group 10:15 <@ atoponce> we would need those who know the topic though fairly well though... 10:15 < rsorb61> I like the idea but the Mrs. often has other ideas for my Saturdays. ;) 10:15 < mwingle> i don't want to commit that much time and probably won't make it. 10:15 <@ atoponce> rsorb61: lol. i hear ya. ball and chain here... :) 10:15 < rsorb61> what would I do without her? 10:16 < mwingle> maybe we could do something else - i can possibly commit that much time over the course of a week. 10:16 <@ Black_Chaos> the plan I have is that you can do the first two hours and then leave and not really miss too much 10:17 < mwingle> that might work 10:17 <@ atoponce> yeah. get the foundation covered the first 2 hours, then for those who want to stay, build on from there, or go over excercises 10:18 < rsorb61> Sorry but I've got company, gotta go. 10:18 <@ atoponce> i'm thinking the first one should be the jan meet 10:18 <@ atoponce> rsorb61: np. have fun. thx for showing up 10:18 < mwingle> maybe we could assign some reading previous to the class so everyone is already starting with a foundation. Then we could get to the questions and advanced topics sooner in the workshop. 10:18 < rsorb61> quit 10:18 <@ atoponce> mwingle: yeah. definitely 10:19 < rsorb61!n=rsorb61@64.192.44.204 ["Leaving"] 10:19 <@ atoponce> we could use the mailing list and/or website 10:19 < unum> what are you doing the workshop on? 10:19 <@ atoponce> not sure. any ideas for the first? 10:20 <@ atoponce> i'd like to learn php. it's something we work with at work, and i don't know it hardly at all, but would love to learn 10:20 < mwingle> I'd like to learn some ruby or php 10:20 <@ atoponce> i'd like to learn ruby. isn't it oop? 10:21 <@ Black_Chaos> yep 10:21 <@ atoponce> nice 10:21 <@ atoponce> unum: tell frank to do ruby over perl. :-)» 10:22 < mwingle> Ruby is a reflective, object-oriented programming language. It combines syntax inspired by Perl with Smalltalk-like object-oriented features, and also shares some features with Python, Lisp, Dylan and CLU. Ruby is a single-pass interpreted language. Its main implementation is free software distributed under an open-source license. 10:22 <@ atoponce> i'm good with either. doesn't matter to me. do we have someone who can present on either? 10:22 <@ atoponce> mwingle: nice 10:22 < mwingle> thank you wikipedia 10:22 < unum> our php workshop was very popular 10:22 < unum> we had over 28 people there 10:23 < unum> atoponce: you tell him to do ruby 10:23 <@ atoponce> i think we should start our workshops off with php. it could stimulate a lot of first-time interest 10:23 < unum> that's what he needs an other option :) 10:23 <@ atoponce> lol 10:24 <@ atoponce> php could really get the ball rolling, if we planned and executed it properly 10:24 < mwingle> i'm all for php 10:24 <@ Black_Chaos> I wounder if we could get like the utah php group or the utah ruby group involved to maybe do the teaching? 10:25 <@ atoponce> Black_Chaos: good idea. just a sec... :-)» 10:26 <@ atoponce> i mentioned it in #uphpu- we'll see if anyone comes by 10:26 <@ atoponce> i think we should though. good idea. 10:27 <@ Black_Chaos> I'd like to see a bash workshop 10:28 <@ atoponce> i think i could redeem myself with a bash workshop 10:28 <@ Black_Chaos> those links have some great info for beginners 10:29 <@ atoponce> i'm going to put them here, for when i archive this meet 10:29 <@ atoponce> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/index.html, http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html, http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html 10:30 <@ atoponce> should we shoot for jan 27th to have the first workshop? 10:30 <@ Black_Chaos> yeah 10:30 <@ atoponce> cool. that'll give us plenty of time to plan, and get coordinated with uphpu 10:30 <@ atoponce> are we set on php for the first, then? 10:31 <@ atoponce> *first workshop, that is 10:31 <@ Black_Chaos> so is that what we want to have it on, php? 10:31 <@ Black_Chaos> ok 10:31 <@ Black_Chaos> if we can get uphpu involved that would be awesome 10:31 <@ atoponce> definitely 10:32 <@ atoponce> a note on the jan thurs meet, it may change to another day of the week, but i'll keep it the 2nd week 10:32 <@ atoponce> every semester, i have to dance around the school schedule 10:32 <@ atoponce> the joys of having it at the campus 10:32 <@ Black_Chaos> yeah ok 10:32 <@ atoponce> we need to see also if we can get that cluster room 10:33 <@ atoponce> *that's* the place to have the meets, i think 10:33 <@ Black_Chaos> that would be cool 10:33 >>> topic changed by atoponce: Next on the agenda: topics for nov and dec meets 10:34 >>> beandog!n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog 10:34 <@ atoponce> beandog: welcome man! 10:34 < beandog> thanks 10:34 <@ atoponce> see my idea in #uphpu? 10:35 < beandog> yah 10:35 < beandog> what you doing? 10:35 < beandog> a php workshop 10:35 < beandog> coolies 10:35 < beandog> php++ 10:35 <@ atoponce> yeah. :) 10:36 <@ atoponce> we're looking to see if we can partner/coordinate with uphpu to get it setup 10:36 <@ atoponce> beandog: wanna present? :) 10:37 <@ atoponce> we'll have (should have) a computer lab for hands on 10:37 < beandog> what kind of workshop? 10:37 < beandog> heh 10:37 < beandog> on what? 10:37 <@ atoponce> beginning to intermediate php. 10:38 <@ Black_Chaos> what we would like to do is have a couple of workshops that will take people from complete php newb to a working knowledge of it 10:38 < beandog> oh thats cool 10:38 <@ atoponce> like me... :) 10:38 < beandog> ah hah 10:38 < beandog> the truth is revealed 10:38 <@ atoponce> yessir! i have nothing to hide 10:38 <@ atoponce> :) 10:39 <@ atoponce> beandog: think we can setup that partnership? 10:41 <@ atoponce> we shoud send a mail to the mailing list, and get people talking 10:41 <@ atoponce> both oalug and uphpu 10:42 <@ atoponce> ok. we need a topic for dec 14th, so we're planned ahead 10:42 < beandog!n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:43 <@ atoponce> or, should we bring it to the mailing list, and see if anyone wants to present? 10:43 >>> beandog!n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog 10:43 < beandog> well that was a nice hard crash 10:43 <@ atoponce> get others willing to get involved? 10:43 < beandog> what were you saying? 10:43 <@ atoponce> beandog: sorry man. that sucks. 10:44 <@ Black_Chaos> atoponce: lets post something to the mailing list and see if anyone has any ideas 10:44 <@ atoponce> yeah. sounds good. i'm fresh out atm 10:44 <@ atoponce> beandog: think we can get the partnership with uphpu? 10:45 atoponce thinks he crashed again... 10:46 >>> topic changed by atoponce: Peanut Gallery 10:46 <@ Black_Chaos> lol 10:46 <@ atoponce> anything that i've missed that we should cover 10:46 <@ atoponce> ? 10:46 <@ atoponce> questions, comments, rude remarks? 10:46 <@ atoponce> :) 10:47 <@ Black_Chaos> i can't think of anything 10:47 <@ atoponce> i'm curious who drip is 10:48 <@ atoponce> i know everyone here but him. looks like he's a gentoo user and php & java dude by the channels he's in 10:48 <@ atoponce> :-)» 10:49 < mheath> "PHP and java dude" doesn't work 10:49 < mheath> :P 10:49 < beandog> I was gonna say 10:49 <@ atoponce> lol 10:49 <@ atoponce> mheath: any ideas or thoughts for the group? 10:51 < mheath> Oh, I didn't mean to interrupt. Forgot this was the official meeting. Now my stupidity will be apparent in the logs. 10:52 <@ Black_Chaos> atleast it was funny 10:52 <@ atoponce> mheath: np. 10:52 <@ atoponce> you didn't interrupt 10:53 <@ atoponce> if no one has any further comments or ideas... thx for stopping by 10:53 < mheath> I'd really like to see the group advertise their events better, and plan things farther in advanced, so we can pursue professional presenters. I think having interesting people presenting on topics they intimately know, people who aren't always there, would be a big attraction for a larger audience. 10:53 <@ Black_Chaos> i'd like to see that too 10:54 <@ atoponce> mheath: agreed. we try to stay at least 3 weeks planned, and announced as so (although i'm not perfect in that area...) 10:54 <@ Black_Chaos> I'm hoping the workshops thing will turn into something 10:54 <@ atoponce> me too. i think it really could pick up the momentum of the group 10:54 <@ Black_Chaos> we need to get that one instructor at WSU to talk to the high schools 10:55 <@ atoponce> who is that? 10:55 <@ Black_Chaos> um the one that unlocks that room in building 2? 10:56 <@ atoponce> ahh. ken cuddeback 10:56 <@ Black_Chaos> yeah 10:56 <@ atoponce> our advisor 10:56 <@ atoponce> yeah. we'll see what we can do there. unum mentioned we may have better luck with the charter schools